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Friday, 23 January 2015

Descendant Register of Robert Grosvenor (Abt. 1341)

Descendant Register, Generation No. 1


1.Robert Grosvenor (Raufe Grosvenor10, Robert Grosvenor9, Robert (Richard) Grosvenor8, Richard Grosvenor7, Randle Grosvenor6, Raufe Grosvenor5, Henry Grosvenor4, Robert Grosvenor3, Gilbert Grosvenor2, Richard De L'aigle1) was born Abt 1341 in Hulme, Cheshire, England, and died 22 Apr 1396. He married Juliana (Or Joan) Pulford Abt 1370. She was born 1347 in Pulford, Cheshire, England.
  

Children of Robert Grosvenor and Juliana (Or Joan) Pulford are:
+2  i.Thomas Grosvenor was born 1377 in Hulme, Cheshire, England, and died 1429.
 3  ii.Cecily Grosvenor was born 1379 in Budworth, Lancashire.



Descendant Register, Generation No. 2


2.Thomas Grosvenor (Robert Grosvenor11, Raufe Grosvenor10, Robert Grosvenor9, Robert (Richard) Grosvenor8, Richard Grosvenor7, Randle Grosvenor6, Raufe Grosvenor5, Henry Grosvenor4, Robert Grosvenor3, Gilbert Grosvenor2, Richard De L'aigle1) was born 1377 in Hulme, Cheshire, England, and died 1429. He married Joan Venables Abt 1405. She was born Abt 1377.
  

Children of Thomas Grosvenor and Joan Venables are:
 4  i.Robert Grosvenor was born 1406 in Hulme, Cheshire, England.
 5  ii.Raufe Grosvenor was born 1407 in Hulme, Cheshire, England.
+6  iii.Raulyn Grosvenor was born 1408 in Hulme, Cheshire, England/Eaton, and died Abt 1474.



Descendant Register, Generation No. 3


6.Raulyn Grosvenor (Thomas Grosvenor12, Robert Grosvenor11, Raufe Grosvenor10, Robert Grosvenor9, Robert (Richard) Grosvenor8, Richard Grosvenor7, Randle Grosvenor6, Raufe Grosvenor5, Henry Grosvenor4, Robert Grosvenor3, Gilbert Grosvenor2, Richard De L'aigle1) was born 1408 in Hulme, Cheshire, England/Eaton, and died Abt 1474. He married Joan Manleigh Abt 1433. She was born 1415 in Eaton.
  

Child of Raulyn Grosvenor and Joan Manleigh is:
+7  i.Robert Grosvenor was born 1434 in Eaton, and died 1492.



Descendant Register, Generation No. 4


7.Robert Grosvenor (Raulyn Grosvenor13, Thomas Grosvenor12, Robert Grosvenor11, Raufe Grosvenor10, Robert Grosvenor9, Robert (Richard) Grosvenor8, Richard Grosvenor7, Randle Grosvenor6, Raufe Grosvenor5, Henry Grosvenor4, Robert Grosvenor3, Gilbert Grosvenor2, Richard De L'aigle1) was born 1434 in Eaton, and died 1492. He married Katherine Fitton Abt 1479. She was born Abt 1445 in Gawsworth, Cheshire, England.
  

Child of Robert Grosvenor and Katherine Fitton is:
+8  i.Richard Grosvenor was born 1481 in Eaton, Davenham, Cheshire, England, and died 27 Jul 1543 in Eaton, Cheshire, England.



Descendant Register, Generation No. 5


8.Richard Grosvenor (Robert Grosvenor14, Raulyn Grosvenor13, Thomas Grosvenor12, Robert Grosvenor11, Raufe Grosvenor10, Robert Grosvenor9, Robert (Richard) Grosvenor8, Richard Grosvenor7, Randle Grosvenor6, Raufe Grosvenor5, Henry Grosvenor4, Robert Grosvenor3, Gilbert Grosvenor2, Richard De L'aigle1) was born 1481 in Eaton, Davenham, Cheshire, England, and died 27 Jul 1543 in Eaton, Cheshire, England. He married Katherine Cotton 1509. She was born 1490 in Ridward, Hampstall, Staffordshire, England.
  

Children of Richard Grosvenor and Katherine Cotton are:
+9  i.Thomas Grosvenor was born Abt 1503 in Eaton.Chesire, England, and died 24 Apr 1549.
 10  ii.Richard Grosvenor was born Abt 1511 in Eaton, Cheshire, England.
 11  iii.John Grosvenor was born Abt 1514 in Busberie, Staffordshire, England.
 12  iv.Anthony Grosvenor was born Abt 1516.
 13  v.George Grosvenor was born Abt 1518.
 14  vi.Dorothy Grosvenor was born Abt 1520 in Eaton, Cheshire.
 15  vii.Mary Grosvenor was born Abt 1520.
 16  viii.Elizabeth Grosvenor was born Abt 1520.
 17  ix.Eleanor Grosvenor was born Abt 1522.
 18  x.Catherine Grosvenor was born Abt 1524 in Eaton, Cheshire, England.
 19  xi.Margaret Grosvenor was born Abt 1525.
 20  xii.Anne Grosvenor was born Abt 1526 in Eaton, Davwnham, Chesire, England.
 21  xiii.Maud Grosvenor was born Abt 1527.
 22  xiv.Alice Grosvenor was born Abt 1528.
 23  xv.Jane Grosvenor was born Abt 1529.
 24  xvi.Maria Grosvenor was born Abt 1530 in Eaton.
 25  xvii.Ursula Grosvenor was born Abt 1538.



Descendant Register, Generation No. 6


9.Thomas Grosvenor (Richard Grosvenor15, Robert Grosvenor14, Raulyn Grosvenor13, Thomas Grosvenor12, Robert Grosvenor11, Raufe Grosvenor10, Robert Grosvenor9, Robert (Richard) Grosvenor8, Richard Grosvenor7, Randle Grosvenor6, Raufe Grosvenor5, Henry Grosvenor4, Robert Grosvenor3, Gilbert Grosvenor2, Richard De L'aigle1) was born Abt 1503 in Eaton.Chesire, England, and died 24 Apr 1549. He married Maude Or Matilda Poole 21 Sep in Eaton, Cheshire, England. She was born Bet 1513 and 1535 in Netherpool Cheshire.
  

Children of Thomas Grosvenor and Maude Or Matilda Poole are:
+26  i.Thomas Grosvenor was born Abt 1529 in Eaton Cheshire.
 27  ii.Richard Grosvenor was born Abt 1531 in Eaton, Cheshire.
 28  iii.Elizabeth Grosvenor was born 1533 in Eaton Cheshire.
 29  iv.Katherine Grosvenor was born 1535 in Eaton Cheshire.
 30  v.Grace Grosvenor was born 1537 in Eaton Cheshire.
 31  vi.Catherine Grosvenor was born 1543 in Eaton Cheshire.

Friday, 18 October 2013

FAMILY GROUP SHEET - HENRY SHERMAN (1511/12-1590


Husband
Henry (The Elder) Sherman
 
Born
1511/12
  Dedham, Essex, England
 
Christened
 
 
 
Died
20 Jul 1590
Dedham, Essex, England
 
Buried
 
 
 
Married
1541
Dedham, Essex, England
 
Other Spouse
Marion (Smyth) Wilson (Abt 1524-    ) Jun 1581 - Dedham, Essex, England
 
SealS (LDS)
 
 
 
Other Spouse
Marjory Kerrick (1542-1610)               After 1581
 
SealS (LDS)
 
 
 
Wife
Agnes (Perhaps Dau. of Robert Perpoynt)
 
Born
1521
 
 
Christened
 
 
 
Died
1580
 
 
Buried
 
 
 
Father
Robert Perpoynt                                 Mother            Unknown        
Children
 
1            F
Alice Sherman
 
Born
1540
Dedham, Essex, England
 
Christened
 
 
 
Died
20 Oct 1580
Dedham, Essex, England.
 
Buried
 
 
 
Spouse
Nicholas [Fince] Fynce (Aft 1532-1593) Abt 1562
 
2           M
Henry (The Younger) Sherman
 
Born
1545
Dedham, Essex, England
 
Christened
1545
Dedham, Essex, England
 
Died
28 Aug 1610
Dedham, Essex, England
 
Buried
 
 
 
Spouse
Susan Lawrence (1550-1610) 14 Jun 1568 - Maye, Essex, England
 
3            F
Judith Sherman
 
Born
Abt 1543
Dedham, Essex, England
 
Christened
1550
Dedham, Essex, England
 
Died
 
Dedham, Essex, England.
 
Buried
1 Apr 1601
Dedham, Essex, England
 
Spouse
William Petfield         27 Oct 1566 - Dedham County Essex
 
4           M
Edmund Sherman
 
Born
8 Jun 1548
Dedham, Essex, England
 
Christened
 
 
 
Died
22 Dec 1600
Dedham, Essex, England
 
Buried
 
 
 
Spouse
Anne Pellett (Est 1549-1584) 25 Apr 1569 - Dedham Essex, England
 
Spouse
Ann Clere (1555-1600) 11 Sep 1584 - In Dedham, Co Essex, Eng
 
5           M
John Sherman
 
Born
1550
Dedham, Essex, England
 
Christened
 
 
 
Died
Prob. Bef. 1667
 
Buried
 
 
 
Spouse
 
 
 
 
 

Children (cont.)
6              M
Thomas Sherman
Born
1556 From 1557        Dedham, Essex, England
Christened
 
 
Died
1587
Dedham, Essex, England
Buried
 
 
Spouse
 
 
7              M
Dr. Robert Sherman
Born
1561
Dedham, Essex, England
Christened
6 Feb 1561
Dedham, Essex, England
Died
10 Jan 1602
Dedham, Essex, England
Buried
 
 
Spouse
Bridget Janney (Abt 1561-  ) 4 Jul 1595 - Dedham, Essex, England
8              M
John Sherman
Born
Abt 1568
Dedham, Essex, England
Christened
 
 
Died
15 Oct 1576
Dedham, Essex, England.
Buried
 
 
Spouse
 
 
9               F
Mary Sherman
Born
 
 
Christened
27 Jul 1592
Dedham, Essex, England
Died
 
 
Buried
 
 
Spouse
 
 

Beware the Duplicate Names




Henry Sherman b. abt 1511/12 of Dedham Essex is frequently confused with Henry Sherman b. abt 1529-33 [stated in some data-bases as having been  born about 1524], son of Thomas Sherman of Yaxley, Suffolk, however as Michael Johnson Wood points out in THE EARLIEST SHERMANS OF DEDHAM, ESSEX AND THEIR WIVES; [PART I; HENRY SHERMAN THE ELDER AND HIS WIVES]; NEHGR Vol. 166 October 2012)
“In New Light on Henry Sherman, Mrs.B. L. Stratton conclusively proved that Henry Sherman the elder was not the Son of that name of Thomas Sherman of Yaxley, Suffolk”
Henry (The Elder) Sherman was born 1511/12 in England, and died 20 Jul 1590 in Dedham, Essex, England. He married Agnes 1541 in Dedham, Essex, England, who perhaps was the daughter of Robert Perpoynt and Unknown. He married Marion (Smyth) Willson Jun 1581 in Dedham, Essex, England. She was born Abt 1524 in Dedham, Essex, England. He married Marjory Kerrick Aft 1581. She was born 1542, and died 1610.

Oct 13, 2006 letter from Michael Wood - noted genealogist - to an open forum on RootsWeb..
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Several hundred databases on worldconnect.rootsweb.com

                                                        http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi
 
say that Henry Sherman of Dedham, Essex, clothier, who died in 1590, was son of Thomas Sherman of Yaxley, Suffolk, d. 1551. I am sending this message in batches, as time permits, to the creators of the 181 databases (as at 1 Oct 2006) on which Henry has been allocated the year of birth 1524, for no reason I can see.
This date does not fit the fourth son of Thomas of Yaxley, who in his will dated 20 Jan 1550/1 said his son Henry was then still an apprentice, that is, under 21. More particularly, that Henry probably lived at Diss, Norfolk, where his only known son Thomas, named in the will of that Henry's brother Richard of Diss dated 1587, was living in the early 1600s. [B L Stratton, Transatlantic Shermans (1969), esp. pages 37, 47, 49.]
Nor does it fit the Dedham clothier, several of whose great-grandchildren settled in New England, either as young adults or with their parents. More than 50 years ago B L Stratton in New Light on Henry Sherman (1954), pages 1-10, pointed out that the clothier deposed on 11 October 1574 that he was then aged 62 and had lived in Dedham for 40 years, so was born 1511/12 and settled there in 1534. His daughters Alice Fince and Judith Petfield were both married before 1561 (when Henry son of Thomas of Yaxley was no more than 30), and his son Thomas was buried at Dedham 16 March 1563/4, probably aged 8, which is why he is not named in Henry's will dated 25 July 1590.

So as not to mislead viewers of your database(s) [some addressees have more than one], please amend the year of birth of Henry Sherman to 1511 or 1512 and disconnect him from his pretended "Yaxley" ancestry; and while doing so, please delete also the conjectural surname of his wife Agnes. I have examined all surviving pertinent records, and can affirm she was NOT daughter of Henry's friend Thomas Butter of Dedham, whose surname was once misprinted "Butler", which has led to ludicrous, and wholly fictitious, speculations as to her ancestry on some databases.

If you want to retain on your database the disconnected pedigree of the Shermans of Yaxley, I commend to you B L Stratton's Transatlantic Shermans (1969), pages 31-54 and the pull-out pedigree at the end, which identifies all the sons of Thomas & Jane (Waller) Sherman and their families. "Sherman" being an occupational surname, it is quite possible the Yaxley and Dedham families were not even distantly related agnately.

Yours sincerely, Michael J Wood



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